Mar 102012
 

It has been over a year since the UCG-COGWA split. I continue to sit in a COG congregation foolishly thinking that a minister, any minister, in either COGWA or the UCG or both, will stand up and take responsibility for yet another disastrous split that has caused family members as well as formerly close friends to take sides in an “argument” that was not even theirs to begin with. Once again, the ministry and hierarchy of the church of God have blood on their hands and have in the estimation of many members disqualified themselves as being shepherds of their flocks (Jeremiah 23:1). Let me ask existing COGWA and UCG elders – How many of you have RESIGNED for causing offense and division in your congregations as a result of this split? I would like to know. I have seen NONE.

Elders in the COG community have even had the audacity to publicly berate the membership for their fascination and time spent on “Facebook” and other websites “anxious to get the latest information” in the run up to, and during the split. Well, if you so called “leaders” could have come together and agreed to set aside your collective egos and KEEP YOUR CONGREGATIONS TOGETHER – well, we wouldn’t have had anything to be “anxious” about reading, now would we? So now with some of these elders, it was the MEMBERSHIP that was the problem because of their anxiousness and thirst for news about what was going on. Unbelievable.

Do we in the churches of God still have our heads collectively in the sand ignoring the fact that pretty much ALL of the splits in the church have started at the TOP, and were not in any way some type of grass roots, rank-and-file membership mob creating the havoc? Of course not. If it HAD been members leading the division and split, they would have been shown the door – removed from the membership rolls (i.e. disfellowshipped).

Yet not one minister between COGWA and UCG has been asked to, or volunteered, to step down because of the offense and division they have, once again, collectively caused.

I have heard some minsters say that the split provided them a good “career move”. Wow.To whoever said that, please keep in mind the carnage you left behind with family and friends that no longer speak with one another over the “issues’ of the split that were never our “issues’ to begin with.

I know of a situation where a COG member had a difficult relationship with another member in the same congregation. They were not being treated very kindly. The pastor’s position was not that the offended member should leave, but rather pray about the situation and try to work it out. Fast forward a few months or years to December 2010, and what did this pastor do? Well he didn’t listen to his own advice to the member, and just left his congregation – leaving little more than a hastily crafted “good bye” letter – and joined another group “because of how they (the ministry) were being “treated”.

A year into this, some congregations are now dealing with snipping, snooping and power-grabbing among the remaining members, mainly because of the pharisaical approach of some old guard ministers, and even some zealous newly ordained elders. Little men building their little empires and once again lording it over the brethren. Taking notes about what members are “doing”, and reporting back to the powers in charge. We’re back to the 60’s all over again. The picture in some of these congregations of the churches of God is not pretty. Hypocrisy is alive and well.

I’m still waiting for someone to be led by God and their conscience to stand up, clean house (including removing themselves from elder/leadership positions) and move on. So we can start over again with a clean slate.

The hierarchy of the churches of God need an enema.

Anonymous

  15 Responses to “Will Anyone Ever Take REAL Responsibility for the UCG-COGWA Split?”

  1. “we in the churches of God still have our heads collectively in the sand”

    Well, that’s a given.

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  2. the real question is:

    why, after all this do so many stay in the church and blindly support such corruption with their tithe monies? year after year, split after split..

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  3. @ Jace:

    “Well, that’s a given.”

    whoops! looks like you’ve already answered that question.

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  4. You must be from California. I’ve seen this movie too.

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  5. Thank you for sharing this. Your analysis matches up well with what we’re observing.

    Anonymous wrote:

    I know of a situation where a COG member had a difficult relationship with another member in the same congregation. They were not being treated very kindly. The pastor’s position was not that the offended member should leave, but rather pray about the situation and try to work it out. Fast forward a few months or years to December 2010, and what did this pastor do? Well he didn’t listen to his own advice to the member, and just left his congregation – leaving little more than a hastily crafted “good bye” letter – and joined another group “because of how they (the ministry) were being “treated”.

    Pure hypocrisy. Completely agree.

    Anonymous wrote:

    Little men building their little empires and once again lording it over the brethren. Taking notes about what members are “doing”, and reporting back to the powers in charge. We’re back to the 60′s all over again.

    That’s interesting. Not surprising, but interesting.

    There are also a number of older heads in COGWA who felt disenfranchised they were never selected for the ministry after graduating from Ambassador. A new organization gives them new opportunities to suck up and grab more responsibility than they had in UCG.

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  6. My strong suspicions are that all the splits are far more about who gets the loot rather than anything particularly spritual!

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  7. Over at the Painful Truth Dennis Diehl as “Gun Lap” has just told us:

    First of all, silenced.co is suspect because of their unbalanced reporting. I did not read that particular article, but that’s because too much of their stuff is not worth reading.

    Normally, I would not comment, but that seems to be an ad hominum argument challenge.

    I personally find Silenced fair and balanced and grateful that as extreme as I am, you let me express an opinion from time to time.

    As far as “Will Anyone Ever Take REAL Responsibility for the UCG-COGWA Split” is concerned, a comment such as the one in the blockquotes above seems to be yet another attempt at silencing critics (for no particularly good reason), and, as a result, it is expected that the answer to the question may be No.

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  8. @ Douglas Becker:
    @ Douglas Becker:
    “Over at the Painful Truth Dennis Diehl as “Gun Lap” has just told us:

    First of all, silenced.co is suspect because of their unbalanced reporting. I did not read that particular article, but that’s because too much of their stuff is not worth reading.”

    Excuse me Douglas. I am not Gun Lap and have not commented about this site ever. I just found this site today because someone told me you had made this comment about me. I did not say the above so please don’t quote me on this again.
    Dennis Diehl

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  9. PS I see what you have assumed when I just went over to the Gun Lap site for the first time today. Whoever Gun Lap is, picks topics much the same as I have written or commented about but I don”t know who Gun Lap is. I also see he has some of my articles under my picture which I think you may have mistaken for it being my blog. It is not and today is the first time I have ever been on the Gun Lap site. 3-12-12. This site is very balanced and interesting here. First time here as well

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  10. @ Dennis Diehl:

    Dennis, I apologize.

    And I am delighted that you find Silenced balanced.

    Do we know who this Gun Lap is? I see what you mean with your picture and your referenced articles below his articles. Slick. I feel really stupid… again.

    Again, so sorry!

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  11. Dennis, Gun Lap copied all your articles to his website.

    The good news is that he gave you full attribution… in the article on his website.

    I wonder if anything there is original by Gun Lap.

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  12. Hi Dennis! We love your posts on Banned! :)

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  13. In my way of seeing things, there is clearly an infringer of what the Bible says, they are COGWA, the UCG was right, because if they give a wrong become complicit and do not deserve to be leaders of God, what Mopisés demonstrated to the case of Core, Latinomerica this very clear about this.

    http://unidalatina.wordpress.com/

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  14. @ Nestor:

    Is that bad English or good crazy?

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  15. The CoGWA seems to be descending into entropy, at least locally in this area: More and more people are returning to United now that Dennis Luker is gone.

    The people who were in CoGWA have been left wondering why there was a split in the first place. It doesn’t make any sense to them. They are not seeing the issues. So they are returning to the UCG.

    There are other problems. The local minister is divorced and remarried. His wife was divorced and remarried. There’s nothing like being symmetrical. He has also had the bad judgment to give a sermon on homosexuality. People with young children are not happy and neither are the grandparents. So they left. In the aftermath, the minister in question, David Register is moving back to California. Maybe the atmosphere there will be more receptive to people like him.

    This business of making blood transfusions from one arm to another is risky because a lot of blood is lost in the transfer. It’s useless in the first place and it makes no sense. That’s what the Cult of Herbert Armstrong Mafia are doing. And there’s lots of loss. And it’s often bloody.

    There’s no reason to be optimistic though. Not enough blood has been lost and the bodies of believers live on in diminished capacity with the blood money they continue to collect. These ACoGs are on their death bed, but it’s taking a dreadfully long time for them to die.

    Here’s hoping that we will be able to celebrate more than one R.I.P. in the next decade for the ones that die.

    The suspense is excruciating.

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